now this extension of the debt ceiling free or four months. the economy cannot withstand at this point. >> well, that is one of the biggest problems. >> definitely not optimal. cheryl: exactly. you're right. what do you say? >> it is one of the biggest problems we have had in the economy, investors like certainty. they want to know what their tax rate will be, what their credit rating agencies are going to do. delicate washington and scratch their heads because they're not getting much certainty. the only certainty they have gotten is the fact that their taxes are going up astronomically. and a lot of business people across the country are hoping that would be coupled with a lot of spending restraint so that we would not give further downgraded by the credit rating agencies and that we could actually get ourselves on a glide path toward a balanced budget. you have to give paul ryan a lot of credit. both of your guests are doing that by saying he is at least putting a plan out. harry reid is not put a plan out for four years. talk about breakin